Chauvin Trial: The Big Lie of the 3-Minute-Plus “Restraint While Pulseless”

Welcome to our ongoing post-trial coverage of the Minnesota murder trial of Derek Chauvin, over the in-custody death of George Floyd.  I am Attorney Andrew Branca for Law of Self Defense.

I wrote up this blog post just as the verdict was being announced—as I’m sure you all know, guilty on all counts—but given that Prosecutor Blackwell’s contemptible closing rebuttal will certainly be grounds for reversal of these convictions, and the issues discussed in this content are an important facet of that rebuttal, there’s good reason to go ahead and make this available despite the verdict.

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OK, with that out of the way, let’s jump into the big lie of the 3-minute-plus restraint while pulseless.

Politically energized prosecutions often lack factual or legal merit, and thus to satisfy the mob and advance the baseless prosecution it’s necessary to build the case upon a foundation of lies.  We’ve certainly seen that in many of these high-profile cases, including the George Zimmerman trial (the lie: got out of car after being told by police not to do so), the Michael Brown case (the lie: hands up, don’t shoot), the Jacob Blake case (the lie: he was unarmed) and many more.

Unfortunately, once the public has been drowned in these propagandistic lies for months or years, it becomes their “lived truth,” and almost nothing can expose that lie for what it is.  It is simply believed as a truth, forever, and on a societal-wide scale.

Now we’re seeing the same development in the Floyd case. It’s become common to see claims on the internet that Derek Chauvin continued to restrain Floyd as long as three or even four minutes after he knew Floyd no longer had a pulse.  And it’s not just the internet, it’s the actual prosecutors, as well.  This is what Prosecutor Blackwell said in his closing rebuttal just yesterday:

Why is it necessary to continue applying deadly restraint to a man who is defenseless? Who is handcuffed? Who is not resisting? Who is not breathing? Who doesn’t have a pulse? And go on and do that for another three plus minutes before the ambulance shows up? And then they continue doing it. How is that a reasonable exercise in the use of force?

The handcuffing of Floyd, Floyd’s cessation of breathing, Officer Kueng’s inability to find a pulse, are all events that took place at different times—obviously, Floyd was handcuffed a considerable period of time before the officers had reason to believe he was not breathing or couldn’t find a pulse.

Fortunately, we can know the exact times that various events happened, from the various video footage, particularly the body worn camera (BWC) footage of the various officers, whose BWC time stamps are all synchronized.

Particularly helpful for the purposes of this discussion is the BWC of Officer Kueng (serial ending 5AT) from the period just preceding the first and only check for pulse by the officers, until the arrival of the paramedics.  I’ll be referencing that video clip throughout this post, so I’ll provide it up-front here:


And heres’ a written transcript chronology of dialogue during this segment, with timestamps:

Transcript Chronology of Kueng (5AT) BWC Dialogue

I’ll ask that you accept my word that this brief segment includes all relevant mentions by the officers of Floyd’s breathing and pulse. In the event that you want to verify that claim, however, I’ve also embedded the entirety of Kueng’s and Lane’s body camera footage of this event, from start to end, at the bottom of this post.

We know that the paramedics are on scene, at Floyd’s side, at 20:27:41, as evidenced in this screen capture from Officer Lane’s body camera at that time, in which you can see the paramedic just beyond Chauvin, in the upper left of the image, and the timestamp (as always) in the upper right (both highlighted in red):

So, if we accept that the critical events here in the sequence cited by Blackwell in his quote above are not the handcuffing, but the issues of breathing and pulse, the question is what do we know about those events from Officer Kueng’s body camera?

Well, we know that Floyd was still visibly moving at 20:24:43, so there would be no need to check for a pulse prior to that point in time.

We also know that the officers believed that Floyd was breathing at least to timestamp 20:25:13, at which point either Chauvin or Kueng (it’s unclear which) comments, “He’s breathing.” That’s about 2 1/2 minutes before the paramedics arrive, and Floyd hasn’t stopped breathing yet.

In other words, Blackwell’s apparent claim that the officers kept Floyd restrained for three-plus minutes after he stopped breathing is demonstrably untrue.

Worse, however, is the claim of three-plus minutes of restraint in the context of an absence of pulse.

The first time any of the officers are unable to find a pulse on Floyd is at 20:26:00. That’s a mere 1 minute and 41 seconds before the arrival of the paramedics–a far cry from “three-plus minutes.”

Once again, Blackwell’s apparent claim that the officers kept Floyd restrained for three-plus minutes after he had no pulse is also demonstrably untrue.

These are false claims of fact made to the face of the jury after the defense has no possible means of correcting the falsehood, and moments before the jury goes into deliberation, on one of the most important issues in the weeks-long trial. Maybe not grounds for a mistrial if the falsehoods are corrected prior to deliberations, but they were not corrected.  Grounds for reversal of a conviction? I would think so.

But that’s not even the most important facet of this issue of restraint and pulse in this case, at least not in the context of whether Chauvin is guilty of a crime.

More important to the question of guilt is what Chauvin actually knew, because that’s all that could have informed the decision-making of a reasonable officer.  And all the Kueng BWC video tells us about there being no apparent pulse at 20:26:00 is that Officer Kueng could not find a pulse–it does not inform us that Officer Chauvin was aware that Kueng could not find a pulse.

That is, the only evidence on this issue of inability to find a pulse is relevant solely to Officer Kueng.  We can hear him saying “I can’t find one,” after checking for a pulse, at 20:26:00, as noted.

What we don’t know, however, is whether Chauvin actually heard this statement.  At no point does Chauvin acknowledge Kueng’s statement of inability to find a pulse.  But we can hear Kueng’s statement on his body camera, why wouldn’t Chauvin have heard him?

Well, one reason could be that Kueng’s body camera microphone is only inches from Kueng’s face, crouched over Floyd, much closer than Kueng’s face was to Chauvin’s ear.

In addition, there was a great deal of other audio sources demanding Chauvin’s attention. Indeed, at the identical time that Kueng states “I can’t find one,” the police radio is chattering loudly, and Chauvin surely would have been listening for radio reports of EMS progress to the scene. In addition, concurrent with this broken exchange between Chauvin and Kueng regarding pulse there was another dispatch call involving a suspect pointing a gun at a crying child–it’s difficult to think of a call that would be more distracting to the attention of a police officer.

Further, Chauvin was positioned around the rear fender of squad 320, and far more exposed to the angry shouts from the crowd than was Kueng—and the crowd at this precise moment was exceptionally loud.  It seems quite possible that between Kueng speaking, the radio chattering, and the crowd shouting, that Chauvin simply never heard Kueng’s “I can’t find one.”

Indeed, immediately after Kueng makes that statement, amid radio chatter and crowd noise, Chauvin responds, “Huh?” This suggests that he heard Kueng say something, but didn’t hear exactly what was said.

Kueng then responds to Chauvin’s “Huh?” with “I was checking for a pulse.”

Note what Kueng does not say here, after Chauvin indicates a need for clarification.  He doesn’t say, “I was checking for a pulse, and I couldn’t find one.”  Kueng may have presumed that Chauvin heard his first earlier statement, “I can’t find one,” but perhaps merely didn’t understand the context.  In that case, the follow-up “I was checking for a pulse” would appear to Kueng to sufficiently clarify the matter.

But from Chauvin’s perspective, which is what controls for purposes of his trial, if all he heard in an understandable manner was the second statement “I was checking for a pulse,” in the absence of having understood Kueng prior statement that he hadn’t found one, Chauvin might have reasonably inferred that Kueng had found a pulse—after all, not finding a pulse is important information that wouldn’t be left unsaid, and as far as Chauvin knew it had not been said.

And that was the last discussion of pulse between the officers.

The bottom line here is that it’s quite possible that Chauvin never knew, prior to the arrival of the paramedics, that Floyd was without a pulse, and thus that there was zero time during which he was knowingly restraining a pulseless Floyd–in which case, continuing to restrain Floyd for the arrival of expert medical care would simply have been prudent “in custody, in care” police practice, and not criminal conduct or denial of emergency care at all.

On this last point, I’m obliged to note that it would have been helpful for Nelson to have made this argument to the jury during his own closing, using precisely this video clip above to illustrate this point.

As promised, here’s the full-length video of the Kueng BWC footage (serial ending 5AT):

And here’s the full-length video of the Lane BWC footage (serial ending 5Z7):

OK, folks, that’s all I have for all of you for now.

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[Featured image is a screen capture from video of today’s court proceedings in MN v. Chauvin.]


13 thoughts on “Chauvin Trial: The Big Lie of the 3-Minute-Plus “Restraint While Pulseless””

  1. According to facebook the jury has reached a verdict. Verdict to be read at 5:00 pm eastern time. I would think that a quick verdict in a complicated case like this would indicate a non guilty verdict. That a verdict I didn’t expect.

  2. I can’t believe it would be a non-guilty verdict – hung jury, yes but not guilty on all counts?
    How the heck could the jury go through all the evidence this quickly?

    Anyway, so glad Andrew Branca cleared this up. After seeing an exhibit and hearing the 3 minute claim I was completely confused.

    1. Attorney Andrew Branca

      They may have made up their mind before going into deliberations. Not supposed to, but jurors are just human.
      In theory may alternatively have been absolute hardline no-compromise situation, but we would have heard about a deadlock, would have been reported to judge, and jury would have brought into court, and given whatever Minnesota calls an “Allen Charge,” to go back and try again. So, really, a hung jury is out of the question without such notice having been given.
      So, guilty or not guilty, nothing in between, and given the brief deliberation I’d have to guess guilty on at least one charge.

      1. What is hard to believe is that the jury didn’t hang out for a few days and pretend to actually be deliberating the issues. I suppose the speed of the verdict can’t help but help the defense narrative on appeal that the defendant didn’t get a fair trial.

  3. I think everything you said here is stuff that Chauvin should have took the stand and told the jury. Hard to decide whether an officers use of force was reasonable without knowing what he actually believed and also knowing his reasoning for believing the force used was necessary. In Missouri, the way the statute is worded and the case law on the subject holds, the issue is not whether or not a reasonable man in the same circumstances would have believed the use of force was necessary, the issue is whether the defendant actually and honestly believed the use of force was necessary and whether a reasonable man standing in the defendant’s shoes COULD have believed the use of force was necessary for the same reasons the defendant believed it necessary (necessary meaning reasonable and reasonable meaning necessary).

    Just about three years ago in a first degree murder case the Missouri Supreme Court held that it was not enough for the defense to produce evidence that a reasonable man in the same circumstances would have believed the use of deadly force was necessary.

  4. I suspect the jury came back with an emotional (scared + angry) verdict and passed the buck back to the legal system in such a way as it was so extreme they knew it would not stand. The three verdicts are a message that shows jurors should not have a vested interest in the outcome and this trial never should have been held in Hennepin County.

  5. How does the timing of Kueng’s “can’t find one” match up with the the State’s expert witness who testified that he could identify the precise moment that Floyd died?

  6. thomas deconcini

    IN THE second video when we can see the way he is kneeling on Floyds “Across his Shoulders “almost on his neck !!!! I can see for myself now that Chauvin was not on his neck and was trying to keep him down and not kneel on his neck !! I really worried that he had not cared about kneeling in the neck !

  7. Lawrence Macionski

    The brevity of the deliberation, the obvious facts of the case, and given the jurors were not sealed in a vacuum for the past year, I can only conclude; the jury made a self centered knee jerk conclusion. That was to get it off their backs. completely and absolutely by finding Chauvin guilty on all counts. They were totally aware the lawless lynching group are out of control and politicians are giving them free reign. Plain and simple a hung jury, or a non guilty plea would of factually been a death sentence for the jury. So they gave the masses of out of control ignorants of the law everything they demanded…. Chauvin needs to disappear like Epstein and Elvis..(are they really gone? Is there something like Witness protection, but for different reasons, like this) Clearly the justice system is broken. As it did not protect this man. The excuse is no one wants to see someone’s death, but babies get killed daily and the mothers rewarded with getting a manny and peddy and a nice lunch only to do it again in 6 months. All my life I’ve heard, “The South shall rise again” well the unfairness and horrors of the south, just on the the opposite foot has risen. No progress made, just a new twist. One thing for certain, the jurors escaped certain injury or death, and clearly there are reasons to appeal. I hear no fat lady singing, on either side. The 2 tier justice system is now clearly in place in America. Justice delayed is Justice denied. In the mean time thousands of lives are changed or destroyed.

  8. Not finding a pulse and Floyd not having a pulse are not the same thing. Clearly we didn’t have the officer to checked for a pulse testify so you can only assume he attempted to do it correctly. I don’t believe we have it on video to see if he does it correctly. At best it is a statement of assumption and shouldn’t of been used as a medical fact that he was infact pulseless. The defense should of done a better job contending this and asking the states witnesses if you could miss a pulse when you check for it in a stressful dynamic environment.

  9. These calculations are based on the time 20:27:41, when paramedics arrived, but Chauvin did not get up when paramedics arrived. He got up at 20:28:43. That’s an extra 1:02 to add to these calculated times.

    That makes it:
    – appx 3:30 from the last time officers believed him to be breathing
    – 2:43 from the time that Officer Kueng reported no pulse

    That is pretty close to 3 mins with no pulse. While Blackwell is technically incorrect about 3-plus minutes *before the ambulance arrived*, it was nearly 3 minutes of “restraint while pulseless”. I believe Mr. Blackwell simply misspoke. It would have reduced the exaggeration a bit had Nelson objected to this, but perhaps the reason he didn’t is because he knew the time that matters (how long till Chauvin got up — not how long until the ambulance came) is, in fact, almost 3 minutes.

    I’m not entirely pleased with how this trial was conducted either, but “3 minute restraint while pulseless” is not exactly a lie.

    I am not too happy with how this trial was conducted either, but

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